Talk:Hard Thorn/@comment-123.211.182.164-20160116085951/@comment-25926644-20160116090306

tempest is a good crowd control and bossing gun for normal games. (bad in nm due to low pierce)

hard thorn isn't a great crowd controller, but due to higher accuracy, it'll be a good bosser.

so for nm, hard thorn. for normal games, tempest (deadly OC pierce will work for tempest as well)