Talk:Phantom/@comment-26391279-20150513232457/@comment-1763304-20150625143420

Not all one-pierce guns are bad. Clearly you haven't used a Black Hard THorn or Black Shotlite Tempest. Both of them, without the pierce augment, can hold their own in any nightmare mode game.

I know that for a fact because, on my level 80, I have a 10*** Black Hard Thorn with deadly, overclocked, and adaptive. I could STAND COMPLETELY STILL for a line of elite apex runners and nightmarish apex runners until they were all dead. I took no damage and didn't even come close to dying.

And a Black Shotlite Tempest is slightly better in terms of damage per second, so I'm sure it could do the same. So please, don't say "one pierce weapons" such until you've used the two best ones - Black Hard Thorn and Black Shotlite Tempest - in the game.