Talk:Hard Thorn/@comment-101.112.11.217-20150320092240/@comment-1763304-20150320114239

Agreed. And the max damage per hit of a is overall better than that of a  Hard Thorn.

At 12 deadly, a Tempest can deal 2,200 damage per hit.

At 12 deadly, a Hard Thorn can deal 2,120 damage per hit.

That's not taking into account any extra damage from armor, masteries, etc. for either. It's only an 80 difference, but let's not forget which one you'll find much earlier, even from Nanotaniums with a lot of luck.