Talk:Hard Thorn/@comment-24644193-20150421015659/@comment-25923864-20150422214657

They are the same gun aside from masteries. The tempest is still better because it gets significantly more damage from masteries, in addition the jibbing helps with crowds quite allot. It's easy to get away with not auging pierce into a Tempest. Mine has Deadly, OC, Piercing, & adaptive, so i get the best of the gun entirely.