Talk:Hard Thorn/@comment-66.249.84.76-20151128073852/@comment-24659969-20151128150727

It is worth it. Sublight is way too hard to get, if not low grade when you obtained it especially if you still leve 70 to 80s. Even after hacked 200 black boxes+ at level 100, the top record I get for black sublight is ***9 about 6 to 7 times. Then gigavolt is also no go due to low enhacement from its Red version.

So hard thorn is better optimal gun to get. Especially if you are a Heavy with Concussion, more flechettes means better stun chance to a crowd. Otherwise, you can save up for MixMaster or if you are going hard carry, Sublight then.