Talk:Hard Thorn/@comment-174.26.24.178-20141207200319/@comment-16137132-20141209112219

Well, the pierce of the hard thorn is 1.0, so really, it's just not enough for any level. The damage of the hard thorn is more than respectable, the fire rate could do some improvement as an assault rifle, though it currently is okay, but the clip size is not large enough. Physical damage also lets it down

What makes this gun sort of so-so is that with deadly and capacity as must-have augs, it's hard to decide what aug to get in the end, whether piercing or adaptive. Too many zombies and bosses have physical resistance, and at higher levels, 2.0 pierce may start to appear insufficient